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Some frequently asked questions about martial arts...

What style should I choose?
What kind of facility should I look for?
How much do martial arts lessons cost?
Do I have to sign a contract?                                                                       How often should I go to class?                                                             How long are classes?                         
How risky is martial arts?
What can I expect to learn?
How early should I start my child in the martial arts?                                Is it my child's decision to train?
What should I do if my child wants to skip a lesson?
What if the instructor wants me to pay in advance for lessons?
What are testing fees?
What belt rank should my instructor be?
Should I find a "champion" instructor?
What is the National Black Belt Club?
What kind of physical training does the martial arts teach?
What is better training, the modern or the traditional method?

What style should I choose?

The only style that really matters is the teaching style of the instructor. Yes, styles vary and you may prefer one style over another, but style should be a secondary consideration. The first priority is finding an instructor that you feel comfortable with and who can motivate you to come to class twice a week.

All styles have their strengths and weaknesses. While it would be nice to say that your body type or flexibility should match up with a certain style, it's more important to match up with the right instructor and school. back to top

What kind of facility should I look for?

Here it's important to trust your first impressions. The modern martial arts school is clean, well lit and spacious, and has good family atmosphere. The mirrors are polished, the floor is clean and the dressing room is in good order. On the wall you might see photographs of recent school events and outings, and there should definitely be an area for parents or family to sit and watch the classes.

Beware of any school that doesn't allow you to watch the class. Particularity, if you are a parent looking for a school for your kids, you should have real concerns about one that doesn't allow you to watch the instructor work with your child. An instructor might say that they don't want the child to be distracted by the parents, but the truth usually is that the instructor doesn't want to be accountable to the parent. WhirlWin has a warm, comfortable lobby for parents to relax in while they watch the kids enjoying their class.

Consider a professional martial arts instructor as your teammate. We both want to instill a strong sense of self-pride and confidence in your child. back to top

How much do martial arts lessons cost?

Tuition for our programs ranges from $10 - $16 per class, depending upon program and plan selected.

Should you or your child qualify for admittance, and you wish to continue, we have no long term contracts like other schools. As long as you are enjoying our classes and benefiting from them, then you will be happy to continue. And since we've been teaching in Northlake since 1988, it's clear that our program keeps students of all ages involved and excited.

With a large variance in the instructors, facility, and atmosphere of one school to the next, you probably already know you shouldn't shop for a martial arts school based upon price. Quality of instruction and experience also play a large role in the cost of your martial arts investment. At WhirlWin, we are proud to offer a variety of programs that every family can budget while providing you with highest level of quality instruction. back to top

Do I have to sign a contract?

This depends on the school and your situation. Many schools do not require any contract or agreement. However, signing a contract for lessons is not always a bad idea. One advantage to signing a contract is that you are locking in the tuition at the current rate and can avoid increases. The key is to not sign for more than you're confident you can follow through on. However, if you know you want to earn a black belt, it makes perfect sense to lock in the lowest tuition possible for that time period.

Since earning a black belt should take three to four years, you may consider locking in the tuition rates if the school you’re interested in offers that option.
Many schools use the agreement only as a way to clearly spell out the arrangements for the relationship between the student and the school.

After our trial course, WhirlWin requests that you inform the school 30, 60, or 90 days in advance (depends on the program you chose) when you are not able to continue training. Beware of a school that requires a 1-3 year commitment after only a few trial lessons. Positive results do take more than a few weeks; so you should expect most good schools to ask for some level of dedication from their students.

It's perfectly reasonable for a school to employ a tuition billing company to process your payments. Martial artists prefer to invest their time improving classes and student service, so it's a good idea for them to hire the processing and posting of payments to an expert. WhirlWin employs 'Member Solutions' to process our tuition. back to top

How often should I go to class?

For the first few months, resist the urge to go more than two times a week. Most professional schools will restrict your attendance in these early stages to twice a week while you evaluate your training. Then, after you’ve trained for a few months, they may make more classes available for you as part of a special program such as the National Black Belt Club.

This is a good method for both the student and the instructor. The student is prevented from overdoing it at first and helps him to avoid injuries and burnout from an over-enthused start. Then, as the student gets in better shape and understands the training, the instructor can better determine if the student should be given the opportunity for additional training. This is usually a privilege reserved for students who have made the commitment to earning a black belt.

Since a new student couldn't be expected to understand what it takes to earn a black belt, the early restrictions on attendance serve to help the student discover the real power of the martial arts and to evaluate its potential benefits before setting a goal of black belt. back to top

How long are classes?

This usually will depend on the age of the class. For most classes targeting 4-6 year-olds, the class should run 30-45 minutes at the most. For classes targeting 8-12 year-olds, 45 minutes is usually about right with a one hour class for the brown and black-belt children. Adult classes are 50 minutes.


Schools that are still running two-hour classes tend to burn their students out very quickly. In today's world, it's very difficult to devote more than an hour to an activity for any length of time; and studies on attention spans have shown that 30-60 minutes is about the max for most people depending on their age. back to top

How risky is martial arts?

Past insurance ratings ranked golf over martial arts in the number of injury claims! That doesn't mean you're not going to get sore or occasionally bruised, it just means that serious injuries are not very common in the martial arts in most schools.

Most schools are very safe and go to extreme lengths to insure the safety of its classes. Some schools are rougher and can have a military-like atmosphere where only the strong survive. These schools can be recognized by an almost exclusively adult male student body and a gym-like atmosphere.

Any school you attend should have age-specific classes and utilize all possible safety equipment when sparring. The striking pads should be new and in good shape, and the instructors should belong to an organizations like MATA (Martial Arts Teachers Association) or NAPMA (National Association of Professional Martial Artists) to insure they are receiving ongoing information in the latest methods of teaching. WhirlWin belongs to both of these organizations as well as MAIA (Martial Arts Industry Association).

While claims against schools are very rare because the training is very safe, many schools are not insured, which is a mistake. Make sure your school is insured and the instructors are attending seminars and workshops on teaching. back to top

What can I expect to learn?

This is an exciting question. Contrary to the media's image of a tough drill sergeant-like martial arts instructor, today’s professional is well schooled in positive motivation, modern training methods, and character development.

Students of all ages and athletic ability are now able to train in the martial arts without the fear of injury and humiliation associated with the so-called "serious" schools of the past. This has come as a pleasant surprise to many students who feared that martial arts would be an "only the strong survive" experience.

Physically, you'll learn fundamentals (blocks, strikes, kicks, pressure points, joint-locks), self-defense techniques (specific ways out of specific attacks), katas (pre-planned multi-movement routines for speed, power, and timing), personal safety strategies, and (optionally) how to spar. Plus—health and exercise knowledge; motivational techniques; and how to use martial art philosophy for total self-mastery.

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How early should I start my child in the martial arts?

While the martial arts are an enjoyable and very worthwhile activity for children, it should be recognized that progress will take consistent class attendance, some practice and support from the family (kids can't drive themselves to class).

How early to start a child really depends on the individual child and their level of interest and maturity. Many professional schools have age specific classes and curriculum programs for children as young as four, five or six years old. These programs are very popular and can be a great way for a child to learn concentration, self-control and start to develop more coordination.

Programs for children of this age usually are less demanding than mainstream martial arts programs and bypass much of the serious self-defense training in favor of more age appropriate and fun activities. back to top

Is it my child's decision to train?

Only up to a point. The parent should always be the real decision maker. Let me explain...

As you know, children will resist what is good for them: Healthy food, exercise if they're overweight, following rules, studying for school and so on.

Kids naturally follow the path of least resistance, so going to karate when a skilled and experienced teacher will not let them 'get away with it' will sometimes cause them to say, "Oh, I don't want to go, I don't like it." Right, and they wouldn't go to school either. Of course they do have fun once their here, they just don't like being corrected when: Their focus is weak; they're not living up to their potential; or they're not in harmony with the class.

However, training at WhirlWin is not based purely on your child having fun and learning cool stuff. We think that Life Skills are even more important: focus, respect, teamwork, social skills, commitment, perseverance, and goal setting. These benefits are vitally needed in today's youth (adults too?). Martial Art training is a powerful 'teammate' in helping you teach your child these important lessons. Keep them training because you know it's good for them, not because your child thinks its fun.

We closely monitor students behavior. 'catch' them when their good, as well as out of line. We immediately reward and highlight good actions and immediately point out and discourage bad actions - we're totally consistent on what we expect from our students. For some kids, this discipline is as good as gold! They really benefit from positive role models teaching them self-control and concentration. Plus, they need to 'generalize' their good behavior here at WhirlWin in the home and in school in order to advance in rank. We send a 'notice to promote paper' that must be signed by parent and/or teacher before advancement. This helps us check that they are doing what they need to do, and gives the parent some leverage in shaping their child's development.

Stay the course. Keep your child in an environment of success, optimism, and discipline. back to top

What should I do if... my child wants to skip a lesson?

When children suggest skipping a class, parents often worry if the child is losing interest. In most cases, your child isn't telling you that they don't enjoy class (they're always enthusiastic after taking a class) but rather that they would prefer to seek immediate enjoyment. Children are often focused on the present and are not able to project their thinking into the future and weigh the potential for future rewards. (For example, if you offered a child a dollar now or five dollars next week, most children would ask for the dollar and receive immediate gratification.)

Parents often ask children to make choices that are difficult and create conflict. When parents say: "They have a great time once they're here, but it's sometimes a battle getting them out of the house," there is a conflict with the reinforcing value of two rewards. Upon investigation, it turns out that kids that complain were doing one of their favorite activities like riding their bike, playing with friends, video games, or watching a favorite TV show when the parents asked them to leave for karate. While the kids liked karate class, having to stop another favorite activity made going to class seem like a punishment.

    What to Do: Simply change the schedule! On karate days make homework, a household chore, or some other less fun activity occur right before karate class. Since karate is much more reinforcing to the kids than cleaning their rooms, going to karate turns into a reward. So use this technique to help your child benefit from training.

As your children mature, they will be better able to understand delayed gratification and its benefits. Rewards such as improved confidence, self-esteem, increased attention span, self defense skills, and better school grades are the result of consistent actions from children, parents, and instructors. Children often experience plateaus in their training and periods of time they do not feel motivated to train. When parents and instructors work together, these feelings often pass and lead to attaining higher goals. All roads aren't smooth, but with parents in the driver's seat, children can fulfill their commitment to martial arts training and martial arts can fulfill its quest to reward students with all its benefits. back to top

What if the instructor wants me to pay in advance for lessons?

There is a big difference between being offered the option to pay for, say a year in advance for a discount, and being told that advance payments are the only option. If a school insists that you must pay for many months in advance, do not enroll. This is a school, usually, that has a very high drop-out rate and they know you may not stick around for long so they are going to try getting as much money as possible from you before you leave. WhirlWin does not engage in such practices. back to top

What are testing fees?

Most schools will charge a fee from $25 and up to cover the extra time, your new belt, and usually an attractive diploma. Testing is almost like a seminar because you’ll receive extra skills, unique knowledge, and valuable experience from the testing process. However, be careful if a school charges $50-$60 a test and then has you test every two months. Be sure to ask. Most belt advancements should take 4-6 months per belt.

The test fee that virtually all schools do charge for is a black belt test. A black belt test is a much more involved exam and often has a number of expenses tied to it for the school. For that reason you can expect to pay $150 - $300 for a black belt exam. This money offsets the additional preparation the school has to make in order to promote someone to black belt and is a fair charge. back to top

What belt rank should my instructor be?

In most styles of martial arts, there are ten degrees of black belt. A new black belt earns a first degree and then it works up from there to tenth. The problem is that with the lack of standardization in the arts, what defines a fifth degree black belt or a seventh degree black belt varies so drastically, that the rank doesn't really convey a meaning to the general public.

There is a saying by Joe Lewis, one of the legends of American martial arts. Lewis, when asked what degree black belt he was, would answer, "There are two types of black belts. Good ones and bad ones. I'm one of the good ones." The point of the statement is that beyond earning a black belt, rank has little if anything to do with quality of instruction.

This is a critical point to understand. Just because someone has received a high rank within an art doesn't make them a good teacher. Indeed, sometimes the opposite is true. Some black belts are more focused on their own achievements instead of helping the student achieve.

It's very hard to say what rank beyond black belt a professional martial artist should be. Clearly, a school owner or chief instructor should be a black belt or the equivalent depending on the art. Also, if your goal is to earn a black belt, then you have to have an instructor that is at least a second or third degree, so that they can promote you to first-degree black belt. A first-degree black belt cannot promote someone to first degree black belt. In most systems, you have to be one or two degrees higher to promote someone. For instance, an instructor would have to be a third degree or fourth degree to promote a student to second-degree black belt.

Beyond that, the rank of the instructor will actually mean very little to your classroom experience or the quality of your classes. In fact, when choosing a school, you should probably avoid schools that use their ads to tell you all about the ranks the instructor has. What he has accomplished is not as important as what he can do for you, so don't be mislead by claims of grand master or 10th degree black belt. That's not as important as finding an instructor who cares about his students and makes that his focus instead of seeking all the attention himself. back to top

Should I find a "champion" instructor?

Looking at the phone-book ads, it's almost impossible not to find a champion. It seems harder to find an instructor that doesn't claim to be a champion of some sort. Like rank, tournament titles mean very little if anything to your experience. Just because someone has won an event, doesn't mean they can teach you or your child.

In fact, the hard-core competitor often has a difficult time toning the training down for the novice or for kids. For instance, John McEnroe is a great tennis champion, but I don't know if I would want him as my child's tennis coach. That's not to say titles are a bad thing. It's just not an important aspect to look for or be concerned with. Since just about everyone in the phone book is a champion of some sort, simply ignore the claims and focus on what they can do for you.
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What is the National Black Belt Club?

The National Black Belt Club (NBBC) is a very special program within a school that is designed to aid and recognize the students who have set a goal of earning a black belt. There is a difference between the NBBC and a money-oriented black-belt course.

Many schools work too hard to sell a student on a three-year black belt course as soon as they get started. This is unfair both to the student and to the school. A student should train in the school for a while to fully understand the commitment necessary to earn a black belt. Only then, after a full evaluation, should a student be offered the opportunity for advance training.

This is often an offer to join the NBBC. The NBBC best represents what a good school stands for, which is earning a black belt. Students in the NBBC are given special classes and training opportunities in order to help them reach their goal of black belt. The NBBC works as a screening process so instructors can reserve advance training for students who are seeking that level. This process helps the instructor in designing their curriculum, clinics and lesson plans.

The NBBC is an evaluation process whereby students spend a few months in the classroom learning about the martial arts and its benefits. The instructors also spend those first few months evaluating the student to determine if they have the necessary attitude and aptitude to earn a black belt. Students who decide to set a goal of black belt can qualify for advance training in the NBBC.

The commitment to black belt should be very prestigious and given tremendous reverence within the school ranks. Of course, we know that you should not be able to buy a black belt. I'm saying a student should not be able to even buy the commitment on behalf of the school to train them to black belt. It must be earned.
How does the National Black Belt Club work? The student enrolls in a trial program to see if he can qualify for advanced training in the NBBC. After three months, a series of evaluations should begin with short surveys about progress and goals. Once the student joins the NBBC, he can qualify for additional classes, seminars, special uniforms, and patches. In addition, special social events for NBBC members are a great way to reinforce the commitment to black belt by creating an opportunity for students to socialize and bond together.
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What kind of physical training does the martial arts teach?

In terms of the physical aspects, there are two primary areas of physical training in the martial arts. First is the traditional arts and techniques of the style taught at the school. This is known as the "Do" or "The Way." These techniques and forms are not made up by the school, but are passed down from instructor to student through the years. Students honor the art by adhering to its traditional principles.

Traditional training is the most difficult to understand and to execute. However, the process of traditional training develops outstanding discipline, self-control and coordination. The other aspect to physical training is a more modern, practical science of self-defense. Here the focus is less on adhering to an ancient art than practicing what works and discarding what may not work as much.

There is tremendous scientific data that comes to us at a phenomenal rate these days, which continually improves our understanding of how the human body works. And with the understanding of how the body works comes a better philosophy and, hopefully, better practices about how to condition the body so that you're not hurting it. This is the basis of the modern method of martial arts training. back to top

What is better training, the modern or the traditional method?

Modern training is much more adaptable to an individual's needs since the training can serve the student rather than the student serving a particular style. While this may sound more appealing, many of these schools are more gym-like than school-like. With the lack of traditional ideals, there can be a lack of decorum within the school. While this is certainly not always the case, respect, courtesy and discipline are important elements of the martial arts experience.

Most professional schools like WhirlWin have a very effective mix of the traditional arts and modern applications. The school's exams and lesson plans will be balanced between the traditional forms and basics and the more modern self-defense and fighting applications. The atmosphere is warm and family oriented with a strong sense of courtesy and respect throughout the student body.

So, you can look forward to learning the foundational techniques of a traditional style, the practical applications of the modern strategies, and the personal development skills of self-discipline that work as ‘the glue’ that holds it all together and makes a good Black Belt. back to top